Preach it!

Here’s to Jayson Stark, who gets it entirely right.

It’s staggering to me that there were people who actually left Johan Santana off their ballots entirely. Colon had a nice year, and he’s a fine pitcher. But it’s insane to suggest that he was a better pitcher than Johan Santana in 2005.

-M.

4 Comments

Hi!

I just wanted to weigh in on this Cy Young issue. I’m a Cardinals fan who has lived in Chicago for several years. I’ve gotten to see a lot of the AL picks pitch fairly regularly. While Colon is a fabulous pitcher, he’s not nearly the dominant force that Johan Santana was during 2005 (or for the past three seasons, really). None of his stats were even in competition with Santana’s. Ok, I know that they like to give this to the guy with the most wins, ok ok … and they like to give it to a guy on a contending team. I get that too… But then, let’s just call it the “Guy Who Has the Most Wins on the Best Team” Award.

What’s really upsetting to me about this is that this logic will NOT apply to Roger Clemens. He was arguably the most dominant pitcher in the NL, but didn’t get the W’s because Houston scored like 5 runs in the first half. So, when the pundits give out the NL Cy Young, how will they be able to justify this? I think Carp and Dontrelle were close to being a wash – but can you ignore that Dontrelle had twice as many losses as Carpenter did? I think if you’re going to base it on number of wins in one league, you have to do it in the other. If it’s the “Guy Who Has the Most Wins on the Best Team” Award, Carpenter has to get it. As a Cards fan – I still don’t know if that’s the best or the fairest answer.

(As an aside – I’m so preparing to be angry about Andruw Jones getting the NL MVP ~ if that happens… that’s just really annoying.)

Thanks for all the hard work. I really enjoy reading your posts and articles.

Marianne

To follow up:

Joe Sheehan is as insightful as just about anyone who writes about baseball on a daily basis, in my opinion. Now, admittedly I’m biased, because he’s also a friend of mine, but his rant about the AL Cy Young is entirely worth reading.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=4594

And if you’re not a Prospectus subscriber, well, why the heck not?

Anyway, I want to point out one thing from Joe’s piece, out of a lot of interesting stuff. He notes that despite the difference in the wins and losses that Colon and Santana were credited/charged with, the Twins actually had a better record in games started by Santana (24-9) than the Angels did in games started by Colon (22-11).

Colon is a fine pitcher. There’s no way he was the best pitcher in the league.

-M.

Nobody has brought up the important question of what quality of offensive teams did these pitchers had to face. Simply stated, the AL West offense far out hit the AL Central. How many sub-500 teams did Johan pitch against compared to Colon? How many games did Colon stop a losing streak compared to Santana? In the league, which this award is representing, Colon was a workhorse that came in every start and did what needed to be done, WIN! Santana put up good numbers that are more then Colon’s but those numbers fail to blow Colon out of the water. (Sorry if you caught that enema pun)

Nobody has brought up the important question of what quality of offensive teams did these pitchers have to face. Simply stated, the AL West offense far out hit the AL Central. How many sub-500 teams did Johan pitch against compared to Colon? How many games did Colon stop a losing streak compared to Santana? In the league, which this award is representing, Colon was a workhorse that came in every start and did what needed to be done, WIN! Santana put up good numbers that are more then Colon’s but those numbers fail to blow Colon out of the water. (Sorry if you caught that enema pun)

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