Some thoughts, context and details on the pick


My story on Kolten Wong has been filed and should be updated on in a bit. But I had a few things I wanted to add, because surprisingly 1000 words is not enough. I don’t know who I’m turning into, but whatever.

* First, my take on the pick. I understand that some people wanted somebody like Mikie Mahtook or a high-upside arm or even Josh Bell, and I get that. Philosophically, that’s what I think they should be doing too. So my first reaction to the pick was, “Yeah, that’s fine.”

So while it may seem that I’m singing to the high heavens about how great the pick is, that’s not really what I’ve been trying to do tonight. I’m mostly trying to contrast what I think has been an unfair and inaccurate line of conversation about Wong.  Because he is undersized, I think people are rushing to dismiss this as a “makeup” pick, assuming that they drafted a kid because he’s gritty or scrappy or something.

The pick may not work out, but that’s not why he was drafted. The parallel to 2007 that some people are trying to draw, just doesn’t apply. This young man can hit. We’ll see how good a defensive player he turns out to be, though he does have some speed (23 steals in 57 games). But he’s a hitter.

He played in a park which, according to, is a significant pitchers’ park. He played on a team that faced some very nice non-conference competition (including Texas, Cal State-Fullerton, Oregon and Wichita State). He was the MVP of the wood-bat Cape Cod League. He hit for average, drew walks and hit for a little bit of power. The kid’s a hitter. They didn’t draft him because somebody liked the look in his eye. They drafted him because they think he’ll hit in the big leagues. On Draft day, he’s a lot closer to Zack Cox than he is to Pete Kozma.

* Drafting a second baseman is a bit unorthodox. In each of the past three years, exactly one 2B was taken in the first round. In the three years before that, no 2B went in the first round.

* And that’s my biggest worry. You draft a SS, if he doesn’t stick defensively, you’ve still got a 2B or 3B on your hands. You draft a 2B and he doesn’t stick, you’ve got a utility player. Wong has to be a big league 2B to be a big league regular, I believe. And that has been one weakness of recent Cardinals Drafts: tweeners. Players with who lack the glove for the more difficult position but lack the bat for the less difficult position. I hope Wong doesn’t turn out to be one of those, where the glove doesn’t play at 2B but the bat doesn’t play at a corner.

* Don’t underestimate the value of his age. Wong is still only 20. If he IS in fact at Double-A next year before he turns 22, that’s a pretty nice development path. He’s 19 months younger than Cox.

* Regarding positions and position shifts, Jeff Luhnow very explicitly said that for the Cards organization, Cox is a 3B. The question was asked because there’s been some thought that Cox will migrate to 2B, which might make Wong somewhat redundant. But Luhnow was adamant.

* Wong’s coach, Mike Trapasso, has been at Hawaii since 2001, and before that his bio says he was at Georgia Tech for seven years. I don’t know if that means he coached on the ’94 team there; I’m assuming, frankly, that he did not. But either way, at Tech in the late ’90s, he saw some serious talent. And according to Trapasso, Wong is the second-best player he’s coached, behind Mark Teixeira.

* I’ve heard a few different comparisons, but the one that seems to make the most sense is Fernando Vina. A couple of people on Twitter bashed the pick based on that comp, but I think that really misses the point. I have no idea if the kid grows up to be Vina, BUT if you could guarantee me right now that he IS going to, I’d tell you right away that that’s a good pick. If you get a quality, borderline-All-Star Major League regular with the 22nd overall pick, you did well.

Again, I don’t know whether he will. I just think expectations need to be reasonable.

* Trapasso said that the Vina comp made sense, but that he believes Wong will show more power than Vina.

* I noted this in the story, but Jeff Luhnow sounded very confident this wouldn’t be a deadline deal. They think he wants to play ball and will get a deal done quickly.

A quote from Wong to that effect: “They were talking about signability, and that’s when I told them, I just want to get out there and play and start my career.”

Anyway. That’s all I got. Just some extra context. I’m not at all convinced this is a total home-run pick; heck, it may not work out at all. Zack Cox may not work out either. But I think it’s a much better pick than some folks are making it out to be.



Cardinals should have taken a good college pitcher; with the elbow and shoulder problems pitcher’s face these days you can never have too many arms in your system.Hitters can always be added later.

Thanks for the extra notes! I was looking for reasons to believe this wasn’t another Pete Kozma pick!

I’m fine with the pick as we havn’t had a legitamate 2nd basemen in quite some time but if Lunhow is so adament that Cox is a 3rd basement what does that say about Freese? When Freese is healthy he is a stud with the bat, and he is still young as well.

It doesn’t say anything about Freese. It just says they think Cox is best suited as a 3B. When the time comes that both of those guys are available and able to play at the Major League level at the same time, they’ll address it.

Watched Kolten Wong the last 3 years down here at UH Manoa. This kid CAN hit. Comparisons to Vina are good but he has more power. Murayama Stadium where he has played goes 330 down the lines 375 up the gaps and 400 to dead center. The ball does not carry well here due to being so close to sea level and humidity, and have witnessed this kid bomb some out of there. He is a good one, give him a chance

I’ve been watching him for 3 years and agree with you on his hitting. He also has some speed and a better than average arm; he was an outfielder his freshman year and was a back-up catcher. Luckily for University of Hawaii fans, most of the games were broadcast on local tv. By the way, you got the stadium’s name wrong. UH’s baseball stadium is named after their long time coach, Les Murakami.

So this pretty much ends the Craig experiment at 2B? Sigh, it would have been nice to have a 2B that could really hit. Not in the light hitting, hit for average and nothing else sense, either.

There’s absolutely no connection between where Wong plays and where Craig plays. Wong is 20 and if everything goes great, he’ll be at Double-A by the end of 2012.

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Very interesting analysis, Matthew; thanks. I hadn’t thought of the Vina comparison, but it makes sense. This kind of pick would not have pleased me five years ago, but enough power arms have come into the system that a potential high-OBP guy looks reasonable now. A major-league team needs those, too, and position players in the system haven’t been outstanding lately.

Any intel on the other high choices? I don’t have much of a sense of how this draft turned out, except that the “fallers” didn’t seem to be there the way they were last year, when the team managed to snag Swagerty, Jenkins, Blair, etc. It looked like the teams drafting before the Cardinals weren’t doing as many dumb things as in the past, leaving fewer top-of-the-round talents to be chosen. If they’re not there, you can’t blame the team for not picking ’em.

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